Cal Newport on Digital Minimalism & why he doesn’t have social media
This week, I got the privilege of interviewing Cal Newport on my podcast. We talked about digital minimalism, deep work, teens and technology, and why he doesn’t have social media accounts.
Cal Newport on Digital Minimalism
I am super excited to bring you this week’s episode of the podcast… but I have to be honest and tell you that recording this episode was one I was pretty nervous about.
You see, unlike most of my other guests, I didn’t have any relationship with Cal Newport. I didn’t know anyone who knew him. I didn’t know his publisher. And I’d never connected with him on social media (because, as we’ll talk about on the show, he doesn’t have social media!)
It Never Hurts to Ask
When I read his book, Deep Work, at the beginning of 2019, I knew immediately that I wanted to try to have him on the podcast. But since I had read his book and knew how carefully he guards his time and commitments, I figured it would be a long shot for him to even consider coming on my little show.
However, I decided to get brave and send him a compelling email pitching him the opportunity to come on my show. What’s the worst that could happen? He could not answer or he could respond and say no.
To my surprise, not only did I get an email back, but I got an email back with a YES! I was ecstatic and excited and quite nervous to do the interview! But I’m really, really happy with how it turned out (and I don’t even think you can tell I was nervous!)
What We Talked About
I loved the insights Cal shared in this episode! We talked about:
- What Deep Work can look like for us in our everyday lives (including some special insight for busy moms!)
- His thoughts on why he doesn’t use social media (which I find fascinating!)
- How we can make technology serve us well and enrich our lives
- Why technology might be hurting our kids and what practically we can do about it.
It’s a really important conversation and I highly encourage you to find 30 minutes sometime in the next few days to listen in.
(My water tumbler that I talk about on the show.)
In This Episode:
[02:53] – This week, we talk about water tumblers, drinking a gallon of water per day, and inflammatory issues (it sounds like we’re getting old!) in the What’s Saving My Life segment.
[06:55] – My book pick is one that I actually recently re-read (I rarely read books more than once, so you know I really liked it!) and recommend the book, the audiobook, AND the movie!
[09:35] – Did you know you can earn cash back for shopping online? I’ll tell you how!
[10:28] – I introduce today’s guest, Cal Newport and ask Cal to define the difference between Deep Work and Shallow Work. He then talks about how busy women and moms can find time for deep work.
[13:16] – We hear an example of what deep work looks like in practical terms for an everyday woman.
[15:15] – Cal has never had a social media account. He explains his reasoning behind this choice. It’s pretty fascinating!
[18:36] – I ask Cal to share some advice for people like me who don’t ever plan to give up social media but who also find the idea of being a digital minimalist appealing.
[23:08] – We talk about how to raise kids with a healthy view of technology and social media and I share a recent example of a choice we made with our oldest and how that played out in a surprising way!
[26:41] – The question of the week is this: “What’s your easiest tip for saving money?” I talk about saving money on groceries. Jesse talks about goal setting and saving for bigger purchases. And we both discuss budgeting.
[30:54] – Speaking of questions, if you have one you’d like us to answer, email me at crystal@moneysavingmom.com! (Also feel free to get in touch if you have suggestions, thoughts, or comments. I love hearing from you about the podcast!)
Links and Resources:
- Cal Newport
- Deep Work by Cal Newport
- Digital Minimalism by Cal Newport
- So Good They Can’t Ignore You by Cal Newport
- Contigo water tumbler
- How I Drink a Gallon of Water Every Day
- Turmeric Curcumin with Bioperine Joint Pain Relief
- The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society by Mary Ann Shaffer
- How I Listen to Audiobooks for Free (info on the Libby app)
- The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society (movie)
- My post on How to Make Money With Ebates
- YouNeedaBudget
- My Favorite Things on Amazon
- CrystalPaine.com
- MoneySavingMom.com
- YourBloggingMentor.com
- My Instagram account (I’d love for you to follow me there! I usually hop on at least a few times per day and share behind-the-scenes photos and videos, my grocery store hauls, funny stories, or just anything I’m pondering or would like your advice or feedback on!)
- Have feedback on the show or suggestions for future episodes or topics? Send me an email: crystal@moneysavingmom.com
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19 Comments
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I will have to tune into that podcast! I like the idea of digital minimalism, but as a self-published author, cutting out social media would kill my business. Plus, I have my whole author community online, since I don’t have a local support group. I’d love to know if he addresses social media for marketing and networking. I also keep up with friends and family that I don’t see often through Facebook. But I do realize the privilege can be abused. Like I said, I’ll have a listen!
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I enjoyed this interview! I just wish it had gone on longer and been more in-depth. I feel like it only scratched the surface.
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The ideas the guest had were great. My question would be what is a person using Social Media for who are not using it for business. For me I use it to connect with family and people I went to college with and most have the technology to keep in touch. I know people abuse Technology but there are ways to not to make Social media take over your life.
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Is there a way to get the show transcript? Thanks!
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This sounds fabulous! I loved Digital Minimalism. The intentionality and methods for making your technology use work *for you* makes it doable for anyone, in any stage of life.
I have a question, though: many times I use social media (FB for me, but Instagram could work this way too) as a mini-escape to catch my breath before jumping into the next phase of the day with little kids. I have curated it to where most of the things that show are from cheerful people and companies/issues I know personally and care about. The appealing thing about this is that I can check it and feel finished in less than 5 minutes. If I read a book, or work on a hobby, call a friend, I could definitely stop after 5 minutes, but I don’t *feel* done. I feel interrupted. Are there any non-tech things that might give the same sense of catching my breath but could actually be completed in just a few minutes of time? I would love my kids not to see me using screens for a break all the time, and yes, I do get distracted sometimes with this method but I’m having trouble coming up with a replacement.
Also, I’m excited to listen to this because when I read the free Kindle sample of Deep Work I was wondering how it was supposed to apply to a life situation where constant interruption is actually part of the job description 🙂 (mom of little kids!) Our library doesn’t have it, so I’ll have to find a way to get the whole book.
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I am SO with you on having to have complete rows of apps on my phone! It sounds so OCD or something, but having an extra one hanging there drives me nuts! lol
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Again the Podcast was great. Keep up the great work. I started reading a book called Free To Focus by Michael Hyatt. I am not sure if it came out yet but his group sent me a copy and it would help people who want to focus on things that are important. Great book.
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Totally off-topic but I love your gray shirt! Caught my eye immediately.
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