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Are you willing to give up what’s making you sick?

Want to know more about the Discipleship Program I’m always talking about? In this episode, I bring on our pastor to share more about why he started the program, some of the key truths in it, and how it has impacted Jesse’s life and my life!

Missed previous episodes of The Crystal Paine show? You can listen to them here.

Thank you to @sarahmaewrites for this truth bomb quote.

“Do you want to get well?” (John 5:6)

Three years ago, I was sitting at a session in our church’s Discipleship Program and I heard our pastor ask this question and I almost started crying right on the spot.

I knew I was unhealthy. I knew something wasn’t right right. But I didn’t know what was wrong or how to fix it.

But in faith, I said, “Yes!” Whatever it took. Whatever it meant. I wanted to get well.

I didn’t know what that “yes” was going to cost me. How I was going to have to let go of years of unhealthy patterns, unhealthy behaviors, unhealthy coping mechanisms, and codependent relationships.

But I’m here to tell you it was all worth it. It was hard. It was painful. And it changed my life.

(A photo I took from the most recent women’s Discipleship Retreat.)

(A page from my Discipleship Curriculum book.)

This is my third year of being in this intensive Discipleship Program at our church. And I am a completely different person.

I don’t live in bondage to insecurity and fear. I don’t need the approval of others to feel validated. I’ve stopped believing so many lies and have replaced them with truths.

I no longer need to impress people or exhaust myself trying to get people to like me. And I have begun to walk in the immense freedom that comes when you live as loved.

And I stand here gently whispering to anyone who feels like I felt three years ago, “Do you want to get well?”

On today’s podcast episode, I’m honored to have our pastor on to share more about his story, what prompted him to start this Discipleship Program over 7 years ago, and some of the life-changing truths Jesse and I have learned in it.

If you’ve ever wondered more about this program I’ve mentioned OR you are just feeling stuck, lethargic, and emotionally unhealthy, please do not miss this episode!

In This Episode:

[00:25] – Welcome back to the Crystal Paine Show! I give a little backstory about today’s guest, our pastor Eric Hoffman.

[03:37] – The first six months after we moved were a low point for Jesse. He struggled to find his worth outside of his work.

[06:36] – Being part of the Discipleship Program at our church is truly what God used to radically shift his perspective and understanding of God. It also helped him uncover and discover his giftings and the way he is wired.

[08:29] -I share how I was very reluctant to sign up for the Discipleship Program and talk about how exhausting and hard it was for me to go through it the first year. And yet, ultimately, it ended up changing my life in powerful ways. And then, Jesse and I have both had the opportunity to lead small groups through the program the last few years.

[10:36] – Eric takes us back to his less-compassionate days, and explains what brought him to where he is today.

[14:08] – We hear a story about Eric’s conversation with a friend in a coffee shop.

[16:12] – How did Eric manage to keep living out of the truths of what he had learned in day-to-day life?

[19:11] – I talk about how much the program has changed not only my life, but also those of the women I’ve gotten to walk through it with.

[22:37] – What are some first steps that people can take to get out of living in a rut? Eric shares a lot of practical tools and resources here.

[32:54] – Eric leaves us with a great idea of something that he and his wife do with their kids at the dinner table to teach them how to express their emotions in a healthy way.

Links and Resources:

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  • Mel says:

    I have seen you mention ideas from that program before. What we really wanna know is when we can get our hands on it too 😀

    • We talk about that in the podcast and check out the resources and the sermon series. Many of the sermons were ones that came straight from the material and were very similar to the sessions taught in our large group in Discipleship!

  • Olive says:

    Thank you for sharing this. It’s exactly where my heart is right now. Any chance you might begin an online devotional? I’d join!

  • Daicy says:

    Thank you so very much for sharing this. Would have loved to attend the discipleship program personally!! Unfortunately too far away in another continent. But as mentioned in the podcast , will use the resources and links for now. Thanks again. God bless.

  • Maura says:

    Love love love this Crystal – I have found similar freedom both from a church workshop on emotional healing and from my current book club. Isn’t it so freeing to not be a people pleaser and want your identity in making other people happy??!! Can’t wait to listen to the “wholehearted” series!

  • Lauren says:

    I highly recommend the Straub book that your pastor mentioned, “What Am I Feeling?” I listen to the In This Together podcast and preordered it, something I never do! It exceeded my expectations and has been a wonderful conversation starter with both my 4-year-old daughter, whose emotions can be a wild ride some days, and my 7-year-old son, who isn’t very good at sharing his feelings. I’d love to hear you interview the Straubs; they’re in Nashville too!

  • kathy w says:

    This sounds exactly what I need. Do you know where I can get a copy of the Discipleship Book? Is it possible to order it from your church? Thanks so much for sharing this info on your blog.

  • sbobet says:

    I love this! Thank you so much for sharing! Yes, yes, yes! SO freeing!

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